Okay. I am old skool, back when Harvey was still alive and Sylvester screamed Do ya Wanna Funk? Guys went to bathhouses as a group, like it was a club; the whole Y-M-C-A thing.
I spent a lot of time in a mixed group of straights and gays and the pathos and drama have not changed at all. The insecurities, the depression, the self-loathing - still there.
I knew many many couples who were never monogamous - ever. This was back when it was expected that ANY delivery boy, phone installer, etc. was going to have sex with you - and they did. This was before dating sites on the Web or even cell phone chats. When it was an effort to see a gay porn movie and there were maybe the same dozen guys in every film - two of them black!!! Fat guys? Are you kidding? "Silver" guys? Get outta here. Bald guys? Uh uh. Nope. Too many muscles were even seen as denoting an empty-headed jock. Chest hair was a must. Men were wanted not pubeless boys. Delivery boys and prison scenes were about it - and hitchhikers. And nothing was Gonzo or hand-held or "amateur" in your bedroom either. ALL the military guys were actors too. Heck, they didn't even bother to cut their hair!!! It was the time of the gay magazine.
Anyway, the guys I knew who considered themselves as having "lovers" would always be seen at the bars too. Spend time alone with them and you usually found that if they were not having sex, they fought, and generally could not stand each other; they could not really be alone together and just do nothing. So they had to always surround themselves with the "gang." Everything was about cruising, scoring, new meat on the block. Nobody but nobody had a "supportive" family. Hell, why do you think they left Des Moines?
As for Bear City, I guess it is right that everyone find his crowd for support. It is just so contrived and so much work has to go into creating a reality for themselves. US against the world.
As for these characters, the only fun part was the three-way with Uncle Milton or whatever. That dolt could not even remember HAVING the threesome. Of course this only came about because of pressure to spice up our relationship. So many daddy issues in this film too. I found the so-called hot boy dismally annoying and his so- called Silver Daddy love interest an insecure loser.
I had no idea the back room orgies at bars still happened. None at all. Nice they show the occasional condom but in the shower with the water running? I doubt it. Oh yeah, they call that barebacking. And of course every bar has its so-called hottest guy who has had everybody and has first dibs on any chickens. BEWARE
And the whole thing with the cute cub and his 400 lb daddy bear and the kid being so upset that daddy might actually lose weight was absurd. How does a kid like that get so hung up on a slob like that? No offense to the slob, but come on. I know there are guys who go for fat chicks too but that just proves my point. I do not think it is normal for some Brazilian hottie to be ga-ga over a 400 lb guy. I don't. The guy has issues.
All-in-all, I could see myself talking to these guys but hanging out with them would only bring me down. The mad cruising, the anonymous groping, the constant double-entendres are fun for awhile but after that I think people to to face reality and grow up. It may be boring but at least it is real. Men were not meant to be married to each other and that is why it does not really work. It doesn't. Opposites attract and that means biologically mostly. The rest is just lust and it is fleeting. Good luck though.
I spent a lot of time in a mixed group of straights and gays and the pathos and drama have not changed at all. The insecurities, the depression, the self-loathing - still there.
I knew many many couples who were never monogamous - ever. This was back when it was expected that ANY delivery boy, phone installer, etc. was going to have sex with you - and they did. This was before dating sites on the Web or even cell phone chats. When it was an effort to see a gay porn movie and there were maybe the same dozen guys in every film - two of them black!!! Fat guys? Are you kidding? "Silver" guys? Get outta here. Bald guys? Uh uh. Nope. Too many muscles were even seen as denoting an empty-headed jock. Chest hair was a must. Men were wanted not pubeless boys. Delivery boys and prison scenes were about it - and hitchhikers. And nothing was Gonzo or hand-held or "amateur" in your bedroom either. ALL the military guys were actors too. Heck, they didn't even bother to cut their hair!!! It was the time of the gay magazine.
Anyway, the guys I knew who considered themselves as having "lovers" would always be seen at the bars too. Spend time alone with them and you usually found that if they were not having sex, they fought, and generally could not stand each other; they could not really be alone together and just do nothing. So they had to always surround themselves with the "gang." Everything was about cruising, scoring, new meat on the block. Nobody but nobody had a "supportive" family. Hell, why do you think they left Des Moines?
As for Bear City, I guess it is right that everyone find his crowd for support. It is just so contrived and so much work has to go into creating a reality for themselves. US against the world.
As for these characters, the only fun part was the three-way with Uncle Milton or whatever. That dolt could not even remember HAVING the threesome. Of course this only came about because of pressure to spice up our relationship. So many daddy issues in this film too. I found the so-called hot boy dismally annoying and his so- called Silver Daddy love interest an insecure loser.
I had no idea the back room orgies at bars still happened. None at all. Nice they show the occasional condom but in the shower with the water running? I doubt it. Oh yeah, they call that barebacking. And of course every bar has its so-called hottest guy who has had everybody and has first dibs on any chickens. BEWARE
And the whole thing with the cute cub and his 400 lb daddy bear and the kid being so upset that daddy might actually lose weight was absurd. How does a kid like that get so hung up on a slob like that? No offense to the slob, but come on. I know there are guys who go for fat chicks too but that just proves my point. I do not think it is normal for some Brazilian hottie to be ga-ga over a 400 lb guy. I don't. The guy has issues.
All-in-all, I could see myself talking to these guys but hanging out with them would only bring me down. The mad cruising, the anonymous groping, the constant double-entendres are fun for awhile but after that I think people to to face reality and grow up. It may be boring but at least it is real. Men were not meant to be married to each other and that is why it does not really work. It doesn't. Opposites attract and that means biologically mostly. The rest is just lust and it is fleeting. Good luck though.